Fake Chicken
As expected, the post which caused the most feedback from people disagreeing with me was the Santa Claus article. People seem to think that lying to children is justified if it makes them happy. I am reminded of an amusing story my wife told me. When she was a little girl, her love of animals caused her to refuse to eat meat. As a result, her parents just told her she had been served fake chicken, or fake beef, and she ate it happily.
Let’s assume that parents want what’s best for their children in most cases. Her parents were probably concerned with her health, and wanted to make sure she received all the nutrients her growing body required. But is deception ever a positive thing?
Teaching children a model of the world where it’s okay to deceive people if you think you’re doing them a favor only encourages manipulation of others in the future. Like it or not, reality isn’t always what we wish it would be. But the answer is to learn to be a strong enough person to deal with it — not to pretend that our fantasy is reality.
Choosing to believe one thing over another simply because you’d prefer it to be true, regardless of evidence, is ignorance at best and evil at worst, and in any case often contributes to the suffering and death of innocent people. Such a strong statement requires an example. Christian missionaries in Africa teach their religious beliefs as their primary goal, even if they are providing medical care or food to the suffering. As a result, they do everything in their power to prevent any education on condom use, simply because it’s against their personal beliefs, which are based on no evidence. As a result, the area of the world most ravaged by AIDS is deprived of the single most effective and cheapest method of preventing the spread of the disease. That is a criminal act.
What would be funny if it wasn’t so sad damned sad is that religious believers do promote circumcision, because it has been shown in scientific studies to reduce the risk of transmission to a man from a woman by about 50%. So here we have a painful medical procedure with zero health benefits in the majority of cases and which exists because of religion. Further, it only prevents the spread to men, and not women. Meanwhile, condoms have been proven to be nearly 100% effective in preventing the spread of sexually transmitted diseases of all types, and unwanted pregnancies. Evidently the faithful see more starving children being brought into a third-world country and more people suffering and dying of horrible diseases to be preferable to the distribution of condoms and the teaching of facts instead of mythology.






July 30th, 2007 at 6:01 pm
Shawn, I understand your perspective; however, I think that there are several different conversations and levels of intensity all being compared to each other. You can’t jump from Santa Clause (who is real) to religious beliefs to AIDS in Africa, etc… All have valid arguments but I think we should focus on one. We could possibly debate the religion with the AIDS since there is a slight tie, but the whole religion with condom use isn’t the big problem in Africa as it is in Latin America and we don’t see AIDS as a big problem there. The AIDS ordeal in Africa is much bigger. Condoms may help, but maybe they should all just abstain. Anyway, before you argue about creativeness (not evil lies) and children, I think you need to get breeding with your other half and make me an uncle, then you can argue after you show me results.
I want to know an Athiest view of the current Dems running for office and where you stand. Please.
July 30th, 2007 at 7:43 pm
Comparing the dispensation of a myth that can most certainly aid in child’s later understanding of the joy and benefits of giving to a medically unnecessary procedure that permanently alters the physiognomy of male children is a bit extreme.
A myth is neither a lie nor a favor to preserve some sort of naive mindset. This is an important distinction in light of what you write above.
I’d enjoy reading your thoughts on INTENT and how it relates to this discussion.
July 30th, 2007 at 8:16 pm
I think that focusing on intent would be to say that the ends justify the means. If the intent is to enforce your religious beliefs on people, knowing that you hold all the power because they’re depending on you for basic survival, then the intent not only doesn’t help, but makes something a truly evil act.
A myth is a lie in that it is not known to be a fact. Believing in something means to alter your actions to accommodate your beliefs. However, I don’t know what you meant by”a favor to preserve some sort of naive mindset,” so I can’t comment further.
July 30th, 2007 at 8:19 pm
Shane,
“Maybe they should all just abstain”? You’re talking about human beings. There will be no great outbreaks of abstinence on this planet any time soon. As for the uncle thing, you’ll have to wait a bit longer. We’re not prepared to have any kids yet. ^_^
Could you clarify your statement about Africa, Latin America, and how condoms and AIDS come into play? I didn’t get what you were advocating there.